I think what Quantum Mechanics is telling us is that our thoughts when in "tune" with the bullet or focused on the shot, will effect where it goes.  To what extent I don't know.  If someone knows a Quantum Physicist, get he/she to do the calcs and tell us how much it does effect a bullets flight.

LOL.   Rick, deep down, we're all just breedin' machines.  Its amazing we can even walk around.

Nope, I don't think it is any different.  It's probably one explanation of why it works.  I just wonder how much it would influence a bullet.
Greg

Hi Spencer, targets are on the way.  Let me know if you have any questions regarding them.
Cheers
Greg

Hi from the "Wet" Coast, oh I meant the West Coast.  We've been running informal BR matches in Campbell River for the last 3 yrs.  Started from nothing, like you are now, and we now have an average of 11 shooters/shoot showing up 10 times/yr.  We shoot out to 500yds when there isn't too much snow and the sou'easters aren't blowing too bad.   Some things we do:

-we use shipping pallets for target holders at 200, 300, 400 500.  Cheap and easy to setup & replace.  Put 'em all in a row with legs on the back to stand them up, staple your cardboard across and staple your targets on.  It's not fancy but it works.  We have regular target holders at 100 and 600

-make it fun.  make it fair.  Guys/gals won't come back if it's no fun and they think it wasn't fair.  Shooting a factory Remington against a full custom BAT is not fair.  Have some refilled 500ml water bottles & at the end of the shoot put them out at varying distances.  Let guys have at'er.  Free & Cheap reactive targets always brings a smile to a shooters face.

-we don't use moving backers at 100 & 200.  It's a trust thing.  I'm pretty sure we're all there for the fun, evan though we're shooting for money.  I've thought of placing backers 3-5' behind the group targets in order to get a slightly different angle on the holes, but so far have seen no need.

-start at 100 yds with sighters and whatever.  Get everybody zeroed.  Have a ballistics table out of a reloading book available for reference.

-we jump out to 500yds right away.  We've found that shooting 500 yds at 3:00pm makes for a sumb_tch for seeing your shots.  At 10:30am you can see your bullets holes.  My eyes aren't the best, but I can see .22 cal holes at 500 with a 24x Leupold. Most people can see their holes with 36x Weavers, etc.

-we use a 28'x22" flourescent yellow/green sighter sheet with an aiming point drawn on, near the top.  It is poster board bought at a dollar store.  I'll post a pic of our 500 yd sighters.  You can see how they walked their shots in.  I'm pretty sure this will work at 600yds if there's not any mirage.


-we shoot a marmot/groundhog target for score and group at 500, 300 and 200.  You can see your holes in the white at 500 on the marmot target, but not in the black.   Sometimes we shoot eggs at 300 or 400.  We shoot flies at 500 & 100.  There are a bunch of other targets we shoot at 100, 200, 300 and 400 as well.  I can send you copies if you send me your address

- we run 3 classes of guns, Factory-bedded and trigger adjusted,  Custom Factory-factory action with everything else modded, and Custom-full blown custom guns.  No restrictions on scopes or weights.  We had one gun in Custom Factory that weighed 18 lbs and was cleaning up for a couple of shoots, so I asked him if he would mind shooting in the custom class, he did and competes favorably with those guns.

-we shoot 10 relays/class.  $2 entry fee/relay.  Winner of relay gets 1/2 the entry fee for that relay class.  I run a 50/50 draw with 1,2 & 3rd prizes.  Some relay winners give their winnings back to the club to fund improvements.  I went to the cash prizes 'cause most people like to win something and I didn't feel like getting trophies.  The cash prize also makes it easy hand out and to be fair.  If there's only 2 people in a class, then the winner gets $2.  If there is 5 people in a class, then the winner gets $5

I don't know if we're doing the right things, but people keep coming back and seem to have a smile when they leave.  We're always looking for improvements and new targets.  If you have questions, ask away.  I might have some ideas.  

Cheers
Greg

Randy, the 8 twist is what you want to shoot the 105/107's out at 600yds and it will be just as accurate at 200-300yds with those bullets.  If you're wanting to shoot lighter (70gr?) varmint bullets at shorter range, the 8 twist will stabilize them, just not as good as the longer bullets.  It should stabilize the lighter bullets at least 1/2 minute of gopher.

A friend is shooting 68gr Barts out of a Savage 6br 8 twist at our BR matches and they shoot 1/2" to 3/4" at 100 yds

I've got a 8 twist 22-250 that likes the 80 gr BergersVLD"S.  It will shoot 55gr Vmax into 5/8"

Good Luck
Greg

I'm filling out an ATF 6NIA form for the first time and am wondering about what to put down for "Ammunition".   I'm going to be taking in reloads.  6ppc, .223, 22-250, etc.  Do I just make it simple for the civil servants and put down "Lapua" and "Winchester" under Name and Address of manufacturer or do I tell the truth and say I manufactured the ammo? 

Also what about reloading components like powder and primers?  I'm sure I'll have to have them on the form. Yes-No?

Cheers
Greg

You want to talk about getting more participation in BR shooting, well we've been trying to do exactly that for the last three years at the Campbell River Gun Club. 

Three years ago we decided to build up a BR section in the CRGC.  There was a core group of guys who liked to shoot groups and thought we would like to have matches.  Dennis Tipper(VP) and myself started to put on monthly "BR Fun Shoots".  For prizes we gave the winner 1/2 the relay entry fee.   We thought that we had to have it "FUN and CHEAP" in order to bring out new shooters.

The CRGC has a number of separate ranges so utilizing the 200m or the 600yd range for our matches did not put anyone out.   We soon had interest in shooting longer range so we fixed up the 600 yd covered firing point and started to hold all our matches there.  We built 10 heavy steel tube legged/plywood top benches and started to have a variety of short range and long range shoots.  The idea was to have informal fun shoots so that we would attract new shooters and then get them hooked on shooting little bitty groups, and then move on to regular BR matches.

We started out with a Factory class and a Custom class, no restrictions on scopes.  Factory was just that, gun bedded, trigger adjusted.  Most were varmint rifles.  Custom class was anything goes but rail guns.  Most Custom guns were rebarreled factory actions on BR stocks & aftermarket triggers, with the occasional full custom actioned BR gun.  Most guys had old Witchita, Caldwell, homemade or sandbag rests.  We had between 5 to 14 guys showing up, the most at our Turkey shoots.  Well, soon an unintentional arms race started, and the newest BR guns were cleaning up Custom class.  So we created a third class, Custom Factory.  A factory action that could have everything done to it.

We shoot 10 relays/class, all at the same time.  If you shoot two guns, we put up two targets at the same time.  We shoot a variety of targets, from BR group targets at 100, 200 & 300 yds, Hunter Bench score targets, Marmots for score and group at 200, 300 & 500 yds, Black Death, typewriter, circles for score, Dart board, one shot for specific position targets like gophers, crows, grouse, etc.   After a couple of years, we tried easing into a 5 shot - 5 target 100 & 200 yd BR format, but guys did not like it.  We had two shoots with that format, asked for suggestions and were told overwhelmingly to go back to the old multi-target format.  Guys liked variety, fun, and informality.  Sounds like a male sexual fantasy.

Now, most guys shoot 2 guns.  There are BAT, Stiller, Swindlehurst, Nesika, Witchita, Angel, Hart actioned custom guns.  Lots of Rem 700 Custom Factory guns and a whole multitude of Factory varmint rifles.  Sinclar, Witchita, Caldwell, homemade and a JJ rest.  No joysticks yet.   We've modified targets and improved our logistics so that we can start at 10:00am and be done at 3:30pm, with a free lunch thrown in as well. 

We get 9 shooters average every month with 5 being the core ones every time.   I would say that of the 25 or so shooters that come out to our shoots, 5 of them would come regularly to shoot a "normal" BR format.  That's out of a 370 member club and a draw area of approx 90,000 people.  Also, the CRGC has a long history of International Rifle competitors.  We've sent rifle shooters to the Olympics, Bisley, National and other International competitions for over 40 yrs.  The BR section profited $1800 for the CRGC last year.  So what does the CRGC want?  5 guys or 9 guys, average, shooting once a month?  The group shooters will have to travel or shoot on another day to just shoot groups.


Some do's and don'ts-
 
-Do not post your best targets on the range wall for everyone to see after the shoot is over.  People look at them and think, " I'm not going to bring out my Savage .223 gopher gun to shoot against these guys!  I'll look stupid." 
-Limit factory guns to max 24x scopes.  Most people have 6-24 or so varmint scopes on their factory varmint rifles.  Its not really fair to shoot a 24x against a 36x all other things equal.  Make it a fair competition equipment wise, with everyone evenly exposed to the uncontrollable variables.   
-Don't have boring targets.  Have lots but make them challenging.   Everyone likes reactionary targets.  I tried bringing in some Tannerite, but got stopped at the border.  Made up some BP incendiaries.   After the shoot is over I put out full pop cans, water filled milk jugs, clay birds, etc, at 300-500 yds. Everyone has ammo left over, so we let them blast away for free & have fun.  We're making up 120 steel gopher swingers so that we can have a Vancouver Island Gopher Shoot.  Charge $20 and shoot all day at gophers out to 600yds.  Maybe new shooters will come, meet some of the BR shooters and want to come and try BR.
-Have small coaching sessions during the shoot.  Talk about reloading, calibers, gear, wind flags, wind switches, light changes, mirage, etc.

I'm about done.  Two finger typing is a long process.  The down and dirty is that there is a very, very small % of people that want to try and shoot little groups all the time.  So, you have to attract the larger # of semi-precision type of shooter who shoot factory varmint rifles, identify the real accuracy junkies, let them shoot your best gun and then they're hooked.

There's always more ways to skin a cat, and that's one use this forum will be good for.  Disseminating info.  Thanks Rick, good job.

Cheers
Greg